Jacques Hopkins [00:00:00]:
What if I told you you could be creating 8 long form videos per day and 100 total pieces of content per day with only about 5 minutes of work? Obviously that sounds pretty unbelievable, but that's exactly what my guest today does. He uses AI and systems to religiously crank out quality content on all the platforms, allowing him to be a multi seven figure course creator. And how does he do it? And is it right for you? Let's dive in. You're listening to the online course show where we bring you the insights and strategies to build a thriving online course business. I'm Jacques Hopk, and over the past 13 years, I built a successful online course business teaching piano that's brought in over $5 million. And I'm here to share the lessons I've learned along the way. Regular people are taking their knowledge and content, packaging it up in an online course, and they're making a living doing it. But not everyone is successful with online courses.
Jacques Hopkins [00:00:55]:
There's a right way and there's a wrong way, and I'm here to help course creators actually succeed with online course. Hi, I'm Jacques Hopkins and this is.
Julian Goldie [00:01:06]:
The online course show.
Jacques Hopkins [00:01:14]:
All right, welcome in, everyone. Look, if there's one thing I try to be with you, it's honest. And so I'm going to get real honest with you right now. I don't know how I feel about one of the core things that we're going to go over in today's episode. My guest today is Julian Goldie. Julian runs an SEO agency. He sells programs about SEO and also sells programs about AI and systems. We talk about all of those things in what you're about to hear, but where we spent the most time is talking about making videos on places like YouTube and doing it with an AI avatar of yourself.
Jacques Hopkins [00:01:48]:
And personally, I have very mixed feelings about this. All right? On the one hand, if you do it right, you have the ability to literally clone yourself and vastly expand your reach and your impact on others. On the other hand, how much authenticity are we losing? How much trust are we losing? And honestly, is this just going to be the norm for most people in like 12 months now? One thing I'm sure that Julian is doing right is in every video where it's his AI avatar, he discloses that he's not trying to dupe people. So I definitely respect that. So it's a fantastic conversation overall. And no matter where you land, I'd love to hear more about where you stand on it. So without further ado, let's go ahead and dive In. Hi Julian, welcome to the online course show.
Julian Goldie [00:02:33]:
Thanks for having me. Good to be here.
Jacques Hopkins [00:02:37]:
I'm sure you've come across all kinds of different, like AI users to the, to what extent they're using AI in their business. I'm using it, you know, every day, but probably at a pretty surface level. Could be doing so much more from what you've seen and in your experience, like, if there's one thing as a business owner we should be utilizing AI for, what would that be be?
Julian Goldie [00:02:58]:
I. I think one of my favorite ways to use AI is for business decisions because it's very logical when you're using AI. And so like, quite often, you know, as an entrepreneur or if you're running a business, you got a team, etc, you've got to make a lot of decisions, but you've got to make logical ones. And sometimes you don't know the difference, you know, sometimes you're in an emotional state, you don't even know. And so like one of my favorite things to do is like to, to run my decisions through Claude or through, through chat GPT when I'm walking through the park, you know, and I'm going for a walk in the morning or the evening, and that helps me get a lot of clarity. And I think that's like one of the most powerful things you could do, but very underrated. So I'll give you an example. Like yesterday I was coming up with a new offer for the course.
Julian Goldie [00:03:48]:
You know, we come up with a new offer every week. We're trying to incentivize people with bonuses and scarcity and everything else. And so for an hour I just refined and chiseled down my offer between myself and Claude and create something better and better. As I was walking around, by the end of it was, oh, this offer is going to crash. So that's one of my favorite ways.
Jacques Hopkins [00:04:12]:
Interesting. With something like an offer, a lot of context around you and your business and your audience, a lot, a lot of context is necessary. So when you say you're doing it on your walk, are you providing that context? Do you have any context documents or you're just opening up a new chat?
Julian Goldie [00:04:30]:
Yeah. So what you can do is you can set up, for example, I was using Claude. And so if you set up a project inside Claude, it's kind of like a custom trained AI that has all the context about you, your information. I like to, if I'm creating a new offer, for example, I like to plug in all the frameworks that help me create good offers. For example, like Alex and Moses offer framework and then also information about my avatar. Right. So who am I selling to? So what I actually do is I take all the transcripts from our Q and A calls, plug them into Claude as a project, and then, like, it has this information about who my audience is, what I'm selling, who I am. And also, like Claude as well, I can remember all your previous conversations.
Julian Goldie [00:05:15]:
So it's got a memory of you and context of you anyway. And so, like, with all those things, you can get really personalized answers.
Jacques Hopkins [00:05:24]:
Yeah, that's. That's really interesting. Why. Why Claude for this particular use case versus the other options you have.
Julian Goldie [00:05:34]:
Yeah. So, I mean, if it was a month or two ago, probably would have been ChatGPT. But the last two updates, 5.2 and 5.1 from ChatGPT, have been really, really bad for my own tests. Whereas Claude seems to improve every update. And so I've pretty much fully switched over to Claude. It just feels a lot more sentient in the way that it responds, a lot more human. And I feel like I can rely on ChatGPT less and less these days.
Jacques Hopkins [00:06:03]:
Is that just your own anecdotal evidence or are you seeing that, Are you seeing other people say similar things?
Julian Goldie [00:06:10]:
A lot of people agree with me, particularly 5.2. I think it was a big disappointment.
Jacques Hopkins [00:06:15]:
5.2 came out like four days ago at the time of this recording. Like, you already are seeing that. I mean, you, I guess you're obviously really plugged in into the AI circles.
Julian Goldie [00:06:24]:
Yeah, I'm really deep into it. Like, I mean, for example, I'll do it live stream, like for, for 30 minutes or an hour every day, and, you know, I can get feedback from everyone there. And then also I can just see the, the sentiment. Like, for example, for me, when I'm finding ideas for content, which I do every day, I can see what. Okay, what. What are people saying about ChatGPT? What are people saying about Claude? And. Yeah, I. I don't know.
Julian Goldie [00:06:49]:
Yeah, it feels, honestly, in the AI world, like the space moves so quickly that, like, you can wake up one day and even though you spent thousands of hours learning this stuff, you can feel behind. Right. And so, like, it might have been four days, but it almost feels like a month, you know.
Jacques Hopkins [00:07:07]:
You said, you said when I asked you about this use case, you talked about coming up with the offer, walking around, Are you. Are you talking to it and it's, it's talking back, or are you typing into your phone?
Julian Goldie [00:07:21]:
I. With Claude, I prefer to type if I Was using something like ChatGPT. The voice is much better. Yeah, but the voice on Claude is pretty bad. So also I feel like with, with the text you just get a bit more time to like process the information you get and so you tend to get better responses. Whereas like, if you're doing the voice, you kind of not like digesting the, the information you get. In the same way, you can slow it down a lot on text.
Jacques Hopkins [00:07:53]:
Yeah, so I'm just picturing you walking around like on your phone and like running into things and like being. People are watching you, like, why is he doing that?
Julian Goldie [00:08:02]:
Yeah, you gotta be careful. You gotta be careful. But I do think it's a great way to get the steps in as well and stay healthy, you know?
Jacques Hopkins [00:08:08]:
Yeah, for sure. All right, so you said something a few minutes ago. I had. I have to come back to a new offer every week. Why?
Julian Goldie [00:08:17]:
So one of the things that we found, you know, particularly for the my community, is the AI profit boardroom. It's a school community and we've been selling that since February. And so one of the things that we found was like our conversion rate would drop on the sales page every so often. We're like, why? Why is that happening? That's really weird. And then as soon as we started creating a new offer, the limited time scarcity based offer, we could easily boost the conversion rate. So for example, like last quarter in Q3, and this is the way that I found out by accident is I was trying to win the school games or I was trying to come top five in the school games so that we get like the, the school games mastermind in Los Angeles with, with Sam Ovens and Alex Mosey and all those people. And so I was like, right, I need to squeeze as many sales as I can over this Q3 period. And so the deadline was coming up, everyone was doing the same in the top five or top ten rankings of this school mastermind of this school games competition.
Julian Goldie [00:09:19]:
And so I was like, right, okay, let's start running some crazy offers and just seeing if people buy. And we would give away like $10,000 in free bonuses. Or like, for example, we would say there's only five spots left if you want to get like a free AI automation included with your community membership. And like that would boost the conversion rate every time we did it. And so like it was the same core offer or it was the same content, but it was repackaged in ways that people didn't see previously. So for example, like we might have in that AI profit Board and community. We have an automation that shows people how to create avatar videos. And what we did instead is we repackaged it in a new offer where we said, this is the same automation that's helping us make $600 a day on YouTube.
Julian Goldie [00:10:08]:
And then you can get access to it here. And like, just switching things around like that help boost the conversion rate a lot.
Jacques Hopkins [00:10:17]:
But who are you promoting this to every week? Are you using paid ads or something? Because if the same people are seeing it every week, I'm sure there's some fatigue there.
Julian Goldie [00:10:25]:
Yeah, I think there is fatigue there. I mean, like, so we have many different channels and we're always reaching new audiences. Like, our audience is always growing. We do run paid ads as well. But also, I don't know, I tend to find as well, like, even if you're advertising to the same audience, like, we'll reach 100 million people a year across all our content. And like, when we're advertising to the same people, quite often, like, they might have to hear about it 10, 15 times before they even realize what you sell. And so, like, if you just tackle everything from many different angles, eventually you get them.
Jacques Hopkins [00:11:02]:
You said something else I want to come back to. Well, you said a lot of things I want to come back to. What do you mean you do a live stream every single day? Tell me more about that.
Julian Goldie [00:11:10]:
So we do. Okay, so like, you know, I'll create, like, maybe on my team we'll create like six or eight avatar videos per day, like the AI avatar videos. But one of the things that I found was that trust would drop if we only do avatar videos. And so I was like, okay, I need to create some human videos as well. I don't really have a lot of time. And also I want to do this in the most time efficient way possible. And so what I started doing is just doing a live stream every day to maximize the amount of trust and to interact with my audience every day. And I just get a feel for like, you know, what they're saying or what questions are they asking or they're struggling with.
Julian Goldie [00:11:48]:
And then I'll repackage that live stream into an organic video later. And that way I get all the thousands of views from the live stream. Also, I get thousands of views from the organic. And so I kind of get like twice the amount of reach with one single video. And I tend to find like, the more content you create, as long as it's good and you iterate in, the more people you reach and the more sales you get. And so like, if I can just create more and more live streams or if I can create content in the fastest way possible is really good. The other thing that I find with live streams is like, if I'm teaching on a particular topic, often you miss like certain crucial pieces of the content because you have assumptions or you just don't have time. And so like by doing a live stream, your audience fills in the gaps of all their questions.
Julian Goldie [00:12:37]:
And then when you publish out an organic, it's a better video than it was previously.
Jacques Hopkins [00:12:42]:
Yeah, that's, that's brilliant. I, I, I find the same thing a lot of times when I'm putting a training together. I like to, I like to present it to real people so that I can understand where I fell short, what questions they have.
Julian Goldie [00:12:52]:
Yeah, 100%.
Jacques Hopkins [00:12:55]:
And where, where are you live streaming? That is, that, is that somewhere anybody can access or is that only to paid members of something?
Julian Goldie [00:13:03]:
Yeah, so I live stream across all our platforms. So it's like our free school group. It's all free, but yeah, free school group, Twitter, YouTube, Facebook, pretty much everywhere we can. Yeah. And we use something like streamyard to help us just, you know, stream across multiple platforms at the same time.
Jacques Hopkins [00:13:22]:
Did you win the school games?
Julian Goldie [00:13:24]:
Came fourth, so yeah, technically won the school games. Went to the Los Angeles Mastermind like a couple of weeks ago and yeah, it's pretty amazing.
Jacques Hopkins [00:13:32]:
All right. Dropping everything. Tell me about it. How did the Mastermind go?
Julian Goldie [00:13:36]:
Oh, it was so good. I mean, like, you know, I've been to a lot of business events over the last few years and I thought the vibe was fantastic. The, the great thing about school is like, I think the culture is very good, but also it's very, very competitive, which makes you become better as a result. And then also when you go, there's like loads of different categories, right? So you've got school communities and, and people competing in categories like money or tech. I was in the tech niche, but then you have people in like the hobbies niche. And so like when you go to the school games, you, you meet people you would never meet. Usually there was one guy, he won the school games just by teaching people how to play Fortnite. I was like, that's, that was teaching people how to play video games or making money playing video games.
Julian Goldie [00:14:22]:
Like that was my dream when I was like 14. You know, like that sounds amazing. And then there was just a really good gathering of people and, and also like really high level people. I mean everyone was like very serious and very competitive and they proved their own results, so they were there by merit. And then also the other thing I really liked was just connecting with some of my competitors. You know, like, sometimes you never get a chance to see what those people are like. And so, like, being in a room with some of the biggest competitors in my niche, I could just get a feel for like, okay, why are they there? Or what are they doing that I'm not doing, or what's their mindset like? And that was super interesting. And then of course, like, being in the same room as people like Hormozy and Sam Oven.
Julian Goldie [00:15:08]:
So I've always learned a lot from both of those guys. So that was amazing.
Jacques Hopkins [00:15:13]:
Well, cool. I feel like I should provide a little context to the audience just in case. I mean, we talk about school quite a bit around here. I use school myself. Absolutely love it. But what they do is, is just as a marketing strategy. I think every quarter they run it where they call it the school games, and the top five people in certain various categories like you alluded to, win a prize of going to this special mastermind. Is that, is that a fair summary? And they do it every single quarter, is that right?
Julian Goldie [00:15:38]:
Yeah, exactly. That's 100% it. So, yeah. Cool.
Jacques Hopkins [00:15:43]:
Yeah, you know, I've seen the different categories and it's funny when you're looking at the leaderboard, like the tech and, you know, business niches, you know, people are making like six figures a month that you've got to compete for. Whereas, like hobby niches like you alluded to, you know, people are more like four to five figures. And I'm like, well, maybe, I mean, I could give it a shot with my piano course. The problem is I don't have that one on school. You know, I'm making a good amount of money with it, but I would have to change the business model quite a bit to be able to compete in the school, school games under one of those like music or hobby categories.
Julian Goldie [00:16:17]:
I actually thought like a really good hack would be just create a new mastermind in the hobby niche or something like that. And then if you even if you just get it to like 1 or 2k a month, you can win the school games doing that. It's such a hack. Whereas, like, you know, for example, if you're in the money niche and you're in that category, I think usually quarter to quarter people are growing by like 50k, 100k. Mr. And so, like, it's pretty tough, pretty challenging. Yeah. The other thing that I like about it is, like, you realize there's levels to the game.
Julian Goldie [00:16:49]:
So, for example, you know, I'll be easy for me to get to like 87k a month, which is what we've done with the Air Profit boardroom, you know, and think like, oh, that's, that's great, like, I'm the boss, whatever, right? But it's like, actually you compare the Mr. Of that versus like some of these guys making like 500k a month, and you're like, I'm not even getting started. I'm not even good at this. Like, there's so, there's so many more levels I can reach and I can be so much better. And I, I think that's really good and really healthy for your mindset.
Jacques Hopkins [00:17:25]:
Humble is always another, always another level, right?
Julian Goldie [00:17:28]:
Yeah, that's it. That's it. And you realize like, well, no, it's like I could, I have so much more potential that I could achieve. And also the answers are out there. You just need to find them. Like, it removes all those limiting beliefs of like, oh, I think this can only get to 100k a month, right? I think this can only get to 200k a month. It's like, no, no, no, no. Like, you can grow this as big as you want.
Julian Goldie [00:17:49]:
You just have to learn how. And that makes you a better, better entrepreneur, I think.
Jacques Hopkins [00:17:54]:
That's so funny. That reminds me a long, long time ago, it must have been like 2014 or something. My business was, was still pretty new and my, my piano course was earning about a thousand dollars a month and I was struggling to get it past that level. And I felt like eventually I was like, you know, maybe I just tapped it out. Like, that's, that's how much it can ever make. And I pivoted to guitar course. I was like, well, let me do the same thing and try to apply guitar, you know, maybe make another thousand dollars a month from that. I don't play guitar.
Jacques Hopkins [00:18:22]:
I had to outsource that, had somebody else do it. And that didn't, that didn't go very well. That never really earned anything. But, but fast forward and it was not tapped out. It's made millions and millions of dollars and done six figure months before. And so it's just funny at that time, having that mindset so long ago, that thousand dollars a month, we're tapped out. But it wasn't the case.
Julian Goldie [00:18:48]:
Imagine if you'd stopped back at like, you're like, you know what? That's the limit. We've hit 1k a month. Let's stop there. I can't get beyond it. I, I do think there's. And you must have found this all the way up is like there's certain plateaus. You just have to break through them and figure out the formula to smash through that plateau. And that happens.
Julian Goldie [00:19:07]:
Like, I think that never stops happening. I was speaking to someone who was making like 220k a month with, with his school community. It was like, yeah, we're going through a plateau right now, but we'll just figure it out. That's what we do every couple of months.
Jacques Hopkins [00:19:22]:
Interesting. All right, so we got to get into this AI avatar thing. You mentioned it a few times now. I've watched several of your, I've consumed several of your pieces of content and you know, sometimes you can tell that it's AI, sometimes you're not sure. When we first joined this call, I'm like, wait, is this really Julian here? You know, so how, like, how did you get into creating content where it's not actually you on camera, but it kind of looks like it is?
Julian Goldie [00:19:48]:
Yeah. So I had a couple of friends send me, I think it was Julia McCoy's YouTube channel. And she was absolutely crushing. She still is with AI avatar videos and she was getting like 30k views or something like that. And so I had a limiting belief up to that point that AI avatar videos weren't good enough to be able to, to be able to entertain your audience. And you know, these guys are loyalty, right? Like, if you've got an audience, they've been watching your videos, they might be annoyed if you create AI videos, they might think you're lazy, for example. And so I was like, you know what? I'm in the AI niche. I might as well try it.
Julian Goldie [00:20:24]:
And so I tested one, actually didn't go so well. And then I tested a couple more and that worked okay. But it was nowhere near as good as my human videos. And we just kept iterating on the process and looking at like, okay, what's the feedback in the comments? What's it like when I watch this video back myself? How do I feel about it? We kept iterating and iterating and one of the things that we found best was like, for example, if we do a video about AI, let's say ChatGPT drops a new tool. Well, if we do a tutorial video and it's just like a little face in the bottom corner, that's way more believable than if we do, for example, like a full screen talking head video just like this. And so when we were Doing those videos, we gradually got better and figured out what works. Nearly gave up, but kept going. And I think one of the other things was I had a time constraint because I've got an agency as well, an SEO agency.
Julian Goldie [00:21:15]:
And so managing all the people there, the sales team there, and then also growing with content and everything else. This is a drain. It takes me like one to two hours per video. Right. And so I was limited by time. That was a constraint. Okay, let's fix it with AI avatar videos. And eventually we got there and now we're at the point where I can, and you'll see this across my channel.
Julian Goldie [00:21:39]:
I can literally make a video on the same day about the same topic. Me versus my AI avatar. My AI avatar will be me every time, hands down, More views, better click through rate, more watch time. I literally can't beat my clone.
Jacques Hopkins [00:21:56]:
It's one thing for it to perform as well as you, because maybe it's indistinguishable, but why would it perform better than you?
Julian Goldie [00:22:06]:
So I was thinking a lot about this. One of the things I think is like, the editing is beautiful on those avatar videos. Like for example, if you actually look on screen, it's like we'll use the trailers from the tools, we'll have like on screen animations. It's a lot more interesting to watch than if I'm just like clicking buttons around on my screen. And then also the AI avatar, he's always like, you know, good energy, good vibe, in a good mood, doesn't get tired or anything like that, you know, and so like when he's creating content, his content will be much smoother. And then the final thing that would say is like the prompt itself for generating the script is optimized based on what hooks work. And so like, for example, the words that uses the way it'll hook people in, the way that it's entertaining throughout the video and you know, there'll be an open loop and then a hook and then a rhetorical question, etc. Is all perfectly optimized to keep people watching.
Julian Goldie [00:23:07]:
Whereas if I'm talking, I'm not reading off a script, I'm kind of like freestyling it as we go along. And so like, you know, in every way, in the way that it's edited, in the way that it's presented, in the energy that he has. And then also the words that uses to keep you watching is far more entertainer.
Jacques Hopkins [00:23:27]:
I know I watched at least one of your videos where you gave the disclaimer or sorry, your clone gave the Disclaimer that this is an AI avatar of Julian Goldie. Do you do that every time? Why. Why give that disclaimer? How important is that?
Julian Goldie [00:23:42]:
I just feel like it's good to be transparent with the audience and because we'll always reach new people on every single video. It's like, you might as well be honest. I. I would never like to give away. I'd never like to make your audience feel like I'm trying to mislead them and then also fill out on YouTube just to be safe. It's good to give that disclaimer because you never know. Like, YouTube might. Let's say YouTube got full of AI slop and it was just people creating avatar videos.
Julian Goldie [00:24:09]:
Like, they're just gonna clamp down on it. So who are they going to clamp down on? The people misleading the people, like lying to the audience or I'm not being honest. And so, like, there's actually. There's two ways that we disclose it. Number one is inside the video itself. And then number two, there's an upload option when you create a new video that says, is this auto content or not? And we always put yes. I just. I think, like, it's a better way to build trust.
Julian Goldie [00:24:31]:
And also it's. It's kind of a weird feeling when you watch it because it's like, oh, this is. Some people watch it up to like 50 seconds in and won't realize it's AI. And then when it says it, it's like kind of a nice surprise for them. The final thing that I was going to say was that it actually advertises my SEO agency subtly. So, for example, it says, I'm Julian Goldie, the CEO of SEO agency Goldie Agency, blah, blah, blah. I'm his AI avatar. And so, like, it's advertising that I have an SEO agency without people realizing it.
Julian Goldie [00:25:04]:
People just think it's an intro.
Jacques Hopkins [00:25:07]:
So you do disclaim that every single time.
Julian Goldie [00:25:10]:
Yeah.
Jacques Hopkins [00:25:12]:
Okay. You alluded to this a little while ago, but you are in the AI niche, so on the surface level, it feels like it comes across. You still there?
Julian Goldie [00:25:26]:
Yeah. I'm just going to change my video if that's okay.
Jacques Hopkins [00:25:28]:
Yeah, no worries. We can edit this out.
Julian Goldie [00:25:30]:
Thank you.
Jacques Hopkins [00:25:32]:
You switched into an AI avatar. Maybe I'll. Maybe I'll keep this in because as we're talking about AI avatars, his video's going crazy. Most people consume just the audio of this, but we. We do publish the video as well.
Julian Goldie [00:25:49]:
Hopefully that doesn't run out battery. I think that should Be okay.
Jacques Hopkins [00:25:53]:
Yeah. So. Oh, what. What I was go. What I was getting at is you're. You're in the AI niche. So it's not. I feel like it's not as weird to have an AI Persona, AI avatar.
Jacques Hopkins [00:26:06]:
And you alluded to this like you're in the AI niche. Right. Can people not anywhere close to being an AI niche do something similar and get similar results? Or are you at a massive, massive advantage given that your AI avatar is talking about AI?
Julian Goldie [00:26:23]:
Well, I definitely think that helps because, like, people are interested in AI anyway, and so, like, this just supports it. But there's plenty of channels out there that are fully AI generated and. And people don't even realize. I think one of the best ways that you can take advantage of it is you actually don't put your face on. There's tons of faceless channels. You know, you look at all those videos about stoicism or psychology, loads of those are just AI generated. And it's like voice only. And it actually has, like, more of an emotional effect because the animations on screen support the.
Julian Goldie [00:26:53]:
The voice itself. And so, like, I think in many ways you can make a better video, but you just have to do it in the right way. So. So faceless, for example, is a good way to do it. I have seen plenty of business videos where it's AI Avatar. And then also, I think in the future, if AI keeps progressing at the same rate, like I was saying, like, it'll be more entertaining, more interesting, better editing, etc. On screen. And, you know, like, it's, for example, like, you know, Avatar, the film Avatar rcs.
Julian Goldie [00:27:24]:
Yeah, like, that's. The. People love that film and that's all just this. Just cgi, right. It's like, it's not real actors and real people. The same with Love Death Robots on Netflix, really popular series. It's like if you. If you can create the content, if the content is better and more entertaining, it doesn't matter whether it's AI or not.
Julian Goldie [00:27:43]:
People watch it.
Jacques Hopkins [00:27:47]:
I have very mixed feelings about it. I'm sure you get this all the time. I am. Well, I have two businesses. I think it'd be really hard to pull off today for the piano niche because I'd have to actually interact with my piano and things like that. But I think I could do it with my business channel, teaching people about online courses and the tech behind it. But the mixed feelings are just the authenticity, obviously. I remember consuming some content from one of my mentors, Graham Cochran.
Jacques Hopkins [00:28:18]:
Not sure if you. You're familiar with him recently and he's, he's big on YouTube and, and talking about online business and online courses and he was talking about, hey, look, if you haven't started your YouTube channel yet, if you haven't started creating content yet, do it right now because in 12 months it's going to look so much different. There's gonna be so, I mean, everybody's gonna be creating AI avatar content in 12 months. So start now and start building your audience now with your real self so that you don't have to compete with all that slop to use your word, in 12 months from now. Right. So like, are you weighing with this too? I mean, or is it just like you had that mind shift, mindset shift to where you're a hundred percent okay with doing this type of content?
Julian Goldie [00:29:03]:
Yeah, I'm 100% comfortable with it. But at the same time, I think it's important to still have that human connection with the audience and build trust. So that's the great thing about using videos.
Jacques Hopkins [00:29:12]:
All right, so how does somebody start going down this process if they want to create content this way and do it hopefully somewhat authentically like you are? Is there like as one simple software solution or is it more complicated than that?
Julian Goldie [00:29:27]:
Yeah. So first of all, what you can do is you can clone your voice. With 11 labs, you're gonna create a pro clone, it's called. Basically all you do is you just upload like anywhere between 5 to 20 minutes footage of your voice and then it will take about six hours to generate like a pro clone of your voice. But once it's done, it's set up forever, so you're good to go on that. And then when it comes to generating the video, you can use a tool like hey Gen. And you again, you just upload camera footage of you and you know how you move and that sort of thing. It will give you a few lines to read out and then you just train the AI on that.
Julian Goldie [00:30:04]:
And so inside, hey Gen. As well, you can use the API key from 11 labs. So you have the pro voice clone and then you have the video clone as well. And that's how you can generate like the talking head itself. So that's where you get started, like with 11 Labs and HeyGem. And then you just want to find like a good editor that can help you actually edit the footage down and create the videos for you so that you don't need to create these yourself, you don't need to edit them, etc. Like someone else can do. We usually pay about $25 per video and we hire someone off our work.
Jacques Hopkins [00:30:37]:
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Jacques Hopkins [00:31:16]:
Okay, back to the conversation with Julian. What is, what is the process? What is your process for creating content? Like are you, since it's not even you on camera, are you completely out of it? Like what is your role?
Julian Goldie [00:31:27]:
So I'll do a lot of quality control but I let my team do the ideation so I have like a full step by step process on like okay, here the topics that work really well based on previous footage. Here are the topics to avoid. And then here are some competitors as well that create similar videos to us. And based on who's performed the best, like the top 5 to 10%, we'll, we'll look at those ideas and use those as well. So it's a combination of like our competitors best ideas, the ideas that worked for us best as well. And then also one of the great places to find ideas is Twitter Explore particularly for AI. But I mean any industry, like your Twitter feed is going to be personalized to you in your industry. And so like you can train the algorithm to just give you ideas based on what's working in your industry.
Julian Goldie [00:32:18]:
So those are the best three places. And that's where we start is the ideation. I tend to find like the ideation itself. Finding the idea is way more important than the post editing. So like if you get the right idea, even if the editing is not perfect later on, it's like you know you're gonna reach way more people with the right idea. So that's where we focus on first number one ideas. And then when it comes to actually creating the content itself before we run it through Heygen, we have a prompt for creating the script, right? So we use a combination of Claude and then Claude can also research the web and just go off and find anything based on our idea. And so like I can find you the, the prompt if you want like some examples of what we include inside it.
Jacques Hopkins [00:33:09]:
Yeah, absolutely.
Julian Goldie [00:33:10]:
Helps. Yeah. So for example, inside the prompt we're like, okay, here's my topic. Aim for about 3,000 to 4,000 words when you write the script and then basically hook people in. Then create an entertaining rundown of how you can use it, some examples, etc. And then from there to personalize it to me, who I am, so we have some information about us and context about our business and, and keep it like first grade level so simple as possible when people are listening to it. So like, well that's one of the other things was like, you know, when you're creating content, you, you seem like a super smart guy. It's, it's like you can easily speak with complicated words or you can make it like a higher grade level language.
Julian Goldie [00:34:05]:
And so like you'll, you'll lose people just by doing that and then also include a cta. So those are the sort of things we include inside the script. So just to recap there, we do the ideation with a combination of ideas that have worked for us before. Competitors and Twitter. Step number two, we create the script with Claude, we plug in the topic, information about us, and then some prompts on how to style the content itself. So once we've got the script and the idea, then we plug the content itself through hey gen. And literally you can just click like create a new avatar video. Once it's trained up, plug in your script, create like a talking head version of you and the video editor themselves will screencast themselves using that tool that we're talking about or that update that we're talking about and just insert the talking head like in the bottom left and just edit it so it syncs together perfectly.
Julian Goldie [00:35:06]:
Nice.
Jacques Hopkins [00:35:06]:
Yeah, I, I recently had to create. I created a course on how to use Deadline funnel and I recorded the whole thing, sent it off to my video editor and it turned out that my screen recording was bad, it was corrupted or something was wrong. I don't remember what was wrong with it. And I had, I. Earlier this year I went on a four month RV trip with my family and that was like the last thing I worked on before I left. And so I was talking to my video editor, I was like, I can't re record it. Like I'm, I'm gone. I mean, I guess maybe I could have done it on my LA top, but.
Jacques Hopkins [00:35:37]:
But then it would have just been the screen recording. And so he ended up doing it for me. Like he, he listened and he listened to my footage and just recreated all the screen elements. So that's, that sounds like a similar thing that your video editors are doing on purpose is listening to the script and creating the visuals on screen.
Julian Goldie [00:35:58]:
Yeah, exactly. And like is. That's one of the things I don't miss. I don't know if you've used tools like for example descript for recording your screen, but quite often when you use these tools they can break so easily or the recording just stops halfway through or the audio cuts off or the camera like today can cut off as well even when it's plugged into the outlet. And so like it's one of those where there's so many technical errors, there's so many things that can go wrong that you know, you skip all that stress, all that hassle by using avatar videos.
Jacques Hopkins [00:36:32]:
You know what's funny is I, this is making me remember that a few years ago I got a question from somebody, I think it might have even been a paying client asking. He was like I just don't want to be on camera. Like can I, can I, can I have like an AI avatar teach my course for me? And look, I'm pretty sure this was pre chat GPT him asking this question. And I was, I was of course was like no, like that. We're the tech technology will get there one day but. But it's not there. So what we've talked about so far is mostly like YouTube videos. Content marketing can, from your experience, can you do this like inside courses too?
Julian Goldie [00:37:12]:
This an interesting one. I actually, I was in real life meetup yesterday for school schoolers and you know there's, there's a bunch of school game winners there and one of them was saying that they actually created an AI avatar video inside their course just to prove a point to themselves that people will watch and digest AI content and they won't even know it. And it actually works really well. So I know for a fact that works also I've created. So one of the things that we do sometimes is like we create these course bundles and this is mainly for organic content, but I think it would work inside communities too and that sort of thing. We'll bundle all of the videos that we have about a certain topic, for example at NA10 and we'll call it like ultimate five hour course how to use NA10, for example. And it would be like a quick intro for my AI avatar, then all my videos packed together as a five hour course. And then we'll publish that on YouTube and also on X.
Julian Goldie [00:38:12]:
On X. That video, one of those videos on NN10 has had like millions of views. And also on YouTube, it's one of our top viewed videos ever. And so like, courses can easily be taught with AI avatar videos. Again, I think it's like one of those way, you just have to quality control it. As long as the quality is good, it doesn't matter whether it's AI on us. Sometimes as well, it can be better with AI, you know, as well. Like the final thing I was going to say on that was like, you know, like sometimes you create a course and you're in a rush or you need to get that content out.
Julian Goldie [00:38:48]:
And so like you miss a few things inside. The content was like a avatar video. The more. And they wake up with, with perfect energy, you know, well, they don't wake up at all, but they're ready to go. And then number two, they're going to, they're never going to take any shortcuts. Like if you, if you're creating a script, you can cover it from every single angle that a human might skip. And so like, sometimes the content itself can be better because you're, you're covering every angle and you're not taking any shortcuts.
Jacques Hopkins [00:39:18]:
Sometimes I like to start by kind of digging into the other person's background and then, and then fast forward to some of their expertise. Today, Today I took a little different approach. But, but I think it's time to, to jump back and ask the question, like, how did you get into all of this?
Julian Goldie [00:39:34]:
Yeah, so what happened was I had a SEO agency and back when ChatGPT first came out about three years ago now when I used it, I realized that the way people search will be totally different to how it was previously. Right. So previously had just Google, people would click like the top 10 links. And it was a serious threat to my agency. And a lot of people were telling me at the time as well, like, you know, that this could ruin your business. So this, this could take away all your clients or your clients, you know, SEO might be dead, for example. And so I was, I was pretty much like lying awake at midnight, you know, and just thinking about, okay, do I have a business anymore? Is everything that worked for over the last seven years, like, gone? And I was like, okay, well there's only one way to do this. And that's like, whatever happens, I'm going to spend three to four hours a day just going really deep on AI.
Julian Goldie [00:40:25]:
And I've never really Used it up to that point. Just go as deep as I can on AI and try and understand it so that it's not so much of a threat to my business, it's more of an opportunity. And then also I can document the process anyway, which would create a lot of interest. I think a lot of people were interested in that. And so what was interesting was up to that point I had about like 2 or 3K subscribers on YouTube, whereas today we're at like 295,000 subscribers. And also I would get like maybe 200, 300 views per video. As soon as I created a video About SEO with ChatGPT, we got like 10k in 24 hours, 10,000 views. I was like, wow, we literally more than 10x stuff you count from one single video.
Julian Goldie [00:41:10]:
I'm just going to rinse this as much as I can. And so I started creating like one video a day and then two videos a day just showing how I use SEO and ChatGPT. And so like that's how it really started, was just documenting the process out of fear, thinking that I don't have a business anymore.
Jacques Hopkins [00:41:29]:
Is SEO dead?
Julian Goldie [00:41:31]:
No, I mean like people are searching more than ever. Like we, our SEO agency has grown more than ever. I do think that the way people are searching is changing, but I mean, humans have searched since the dawn of time, right? Like, people have never stopped searching for information. It's just how they do it is totally different. I think as well, like in some ways SEO is working better than ever because you can rank across like six different platforms like ChatGPT and Perplexity and YouTube and Google. Whereas previously you could only rank inside Google, only people only cared about Google. So yeah, the one thing that I'll say on that, the one caveat I'll say on that is like content SEO, content agencies are pretty much dead unless they're using AI. So back then, this was one of the other things that really scared me was when I was first learning AI and I saw it as a threat to my business.
Julian Goldie [00:42:24]:
Three or four big like multimillion dollar content agencies who had a team of human writers got wiped out. They shut down that year and I was like, wow, like this is, this is really serious and it's moving super fast.
Jacques Hopkins [00:42:41]:
We, I had a, an SEO guy on the podcast several months ago and he's, he's like my go to resource for, for SEO and he's been on several times and what, what he said on the last time that he was on that really gave me a mindset. Mindset shift is that, yeah, when you search for something, a lot of times you're getting AI results or you're going to something like ChatGPT to do your search instead of previously you would have done it on Google, but the results are still kind of based on the same stuff, right? They're kind of getting their information from the same place. So five years ago, if I Google how to play piano and piano in 21 days shows up on the first page, awesome. Today in that same person, instead of going to Google is going to ChatGPT and saying, what's the best way to learn piano? Some of those same strategies that allowed me to rank on the first page of Google will still allow me to rank. I don't know if that's probably not even a good word anymore, but for Chad GBT to recommend my business is that, you know, in your opinion, is that completely accurate?
Julian Goldie [00:43:49]:
100%. The, the biggest difference I see though is like Chat GPT and these other AI search engines will send will have less links inside them. So if you look at Google like it's got 10 blue links on the first page of Google, right? And so it's sending traffic to a lot more places, whereas if you look inside ChatGPT, it will send less traffic to less websites, it will have less links inside it. But then when it actually does Send traffic from ChatGPT to a website recommends that traffic tends to convert a lot better. And the other difference as well is like, previous to AI, like you could create, you know, as a human writer, if someone was writing a blog post, they might be able to create like one or two blog posts a week if they're writing manually. Whereas now you can create like 10 or 20 articles a day if you want, across multiple websites and platforms.
Jacques Hopkins [00:44:38]:
So what is, what is that like high level formula for rank? So we established like SEO is not dead just because we're searching for things in different ways or different places. The things you do to get ranked and recommended are the same. What are those things? Right? So like 15 years ago it was all about backlinks as far as far as I understand, right. And then, you know, I know five or ten years ago it was all about content, like massive amounts of awesome content. And then plus the backlinks, obviously. I mean, is that still what it is? It's just generated with AI or is there a different formula today?
Julian Goldie [00:45:10]:
Yeah, I would say it's a very similar formula. So like for example, our clients who rank organically of SEO will rank inside ChatGPT. Well, for the same keywords as well. So it's like a combination of. I tend to see it's three things if I really want to simplify it, which is, number one, keywords. So finding the low competition keywords that people are searching for. So, for example, like, best piano course, and then from there creating the content around that on your website. So, for example, like, here are the top 10 piano courses in 2025.
Julian Goldie [00:45:41]:
And then the final part is, is getting backlinks, which is just a clickable text from one website to another. And these are kind of like those to say that your content is good. So the more relevant and natural backlinks you get, and the more authoritative they are, the more likely you are to rank inside that. There's a couple of extra things, though, that help really well with AI search engines. So, for example, listicles are very good. What a lot of SEOs do now is they will create, like, top 10 lists across many different platforms, recommending themselves as number one. And by doing that, the AI compares all the data points across the web and then sees, okay, this person is consistently recommended as number one. We're going to use this guy to recommend him as, like, I don't know, the top SEO expert in 2025.
Julian Goldie [00:46:28]:
And then the, the other thing that I would say is, like, you know, if you look at ChatGPT, they've got partnerships with Reddit. If you look at Google, they've got partnerships with Reddit as well. This is how they train their AI. And so, like, if you can create content not just on your own website, but across multiple platforms like Reddit, Twitter, LinkedIn, YouTube, your own website, maybe other websites too. Then again, you can create more data out there that recommends to you as the number one option, which means that you're much more likely to rank inside these AI search engines as well.
Jacques Hopkins [00:46:59]:
So are you, are you the SEO guy or are you the AI guy?
Julian Goldie [00:47:03]:
That's a question I get a lot. I would say I'm the AI SEO guy.
Jacques Hopkins [00:47:08]:
But the reason I ask is, I mean, I guess, like, in my opinion, the term SEO has kind of evolved to be AI SEO. Like, you're not just doing SEO anymore, you're doing AI SEO, but it sounds like you're now, today you're teaching AI topics that maybe don't relate to SEO. Right? So that's, that's the, that's why I asked the question.
Julian Goldie [00:47:29]:
Yeah, so one of the biggest challenges we found was, like, staying relevant. Like, for example, when we, you know, a couple of years ago, people were super interested in SEO. Right. Whereas what we actually found was like, when we created more and more SEO videos, the views would go down. But if I talk about the latest AI update, the views will go way up. Right? I'll give you an example. If I talk about AI SEO for, for ChatGPT 5.2, we'll get maybe a 10 for the views versus if I create a video about ChatGPT 5.2 in general. Right.
Julian Goldie [00:48:00]:
And so to keep advertising my SEO agency and keep generating leads from the organic content that I'm creating, which is these are like the highest converted leads and the best ones inside the video, I'll talk about use cases from that tool that directly apply to my SEO agency. So for example, how to create content or how to automate something inside my SEO agency or how to create an SEO tool using that new update. And so like, I'm still the SEO guy. I mean, we create, we create over 100 pieces of content a day about SEO, but I do it in a way where it's very subtle and we're still relevant and reaching a big audience. And that way, like we can cast a bigger net, we can still get the high quality, high converting leads, but we do it in a way where we reach as many people as possible and we don't diminish our views.
Jacques Hopkins [00:48:51]:
A hundred pieces of content a day?
Julian Goldie [00:48:53]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We, I mean, like just in general, like we create way more than that, but yeah, organically for SEO.
Jacques Hopkins [00:49:00]:
How do you say that without laughing hysterically? Like seriously, 100 a day?
Julian Goldie [00:49:05]:
Yeah, I mean like, for example, even you know, if we create one video that's like a engine for creating like content across multiple platforms. Right? So for example, we have that YouTube video, but then we're going to create like a two step on YouTube community, you know, as a lead magnet, we would turn that into a LinkedIn article, but then also a LinkedIn organic post. And then we're going to publish that on a newsletter on LinkedIn and we've got two of those. We also create an email around it, we publish it on Reddit, both the video and the article version. And then we'll create a Twitter post as well. And then we also have like five different websites we create blogs about, and that's one single video. Bear in mind we create eight videos a day. So it's like, you know, that just multiplies into multiple different pieces of content across multiple different platforms.
Julian Goldie [00:49:51]:
And we tend to find like the more content we publish, as long as it's quality controlled, the more people we Reach give you an example. So we started a subreddit back in February, right? And you know, we started literally from zero. Kind of felt like late to the game, you know, if we create a new subreddit now, who's going to read it? Every single month, we create more and more pieces of content across multiple different YouTube channels. And that powers all our content on Reddit because we create articles out of those. And so we've gone from like zero views per month, starting a brand new subreddit in February, to the point where we now get like 60,000 views a month on that subreddit, and that's growing every single month. And we do that across not just Reddit, but Twitter, LinkedIn, YouTube, Facebook groups, personal Facebook profiles, business Facebook profiles, email. And so, like, we're just exponentially growing. We even turn those into like Udemy courses, free Udemy courses.
Julian Goldie [00:50:44]:
And we have like 40,000 students on Udemy.
Jacques Hopkins [00:50:47]:
So, yeah, I remember earlier, I remember hearing you say eight videos a day, and then, and then you say a hundred pieces of content. So it's. It stems from those eight videos. Videos. So eight videos and then 100 pieces of content per day. How much time per day are you involved in all of that content? Like two minutes?
Julian Goldie [00:51:06]:
Yeah, exactly, exactly. I mean, like, one of the things that I find myself doing more and more is like quality control. So, you know, just looking at the videos, giving feedback to the editors, looking at the way the content is posted on other platforms, again, feedback that way. But this is super high leverage because if I give feedback on that one single video, it makes it better. And so you're making those hundred pieces of content better as well. And so it's super high leverage. The same with Ideation. If I can create better systems for improving the ideas behind the video, then that's super high leverage because it's powering like 300 pieces of content per day or more, you know, so, yeah, that's the way to do it.
Julian Goldie [00:51:44]:
And. And it's not just our main YouTube channel. Like, we have multiple different YouTube channels with different avatars, even, like, female ones. And so, like, we can scale it easily. We can scale the organic traffic and the volume as well.
Jacques Hopkins [00:51:58]:
Oh, so what's the motivation behind having other avatars? Like, what are you. What's the end game for those? You still talking about your SEO agency?
Julian Goldie [00:52:07]:
Yeah, but. Well, actually, no, in the other channel's mostly like just trying to get more traffic to the community because we tend to find like, organic content converts the best. And so, like, if we create more Content with different avatars, we reach new audiences and then we also scale the traffic to it. So I'll give you an example. Like we have a female avatar YouTube channel and it's still in the early stages to be fair, but the audience is totally different. So if I create a piece of content with my face and being a man, you know, in his 30s, then I'll typically get people who are men in the 30s watching that content. Right. If I look at the demographics, it's like 90% male audience.
Julian Goldie [00:52:48]:
If I create content as a female and it's AI avatar that will typically attract more female audience, higher percentage. And so like we can reach new and bigger audiences by doing that.
Jacques Hopkins [00:53:03]:
If somebody wanted to learn this more about this content system from you, because they're, they're spending gobs of time each week just to get one piece of content out and you're spending two minutes to get a hundred pieces out. Which of your like programs, where can somebody go to learn more about this content system from you?
Julian Goldie [00:53:21]:
Check out the AI Profit Boardroom. So the Air Profit Boarding is available at school or you can go to a profitboardom.com but all the systems I use inside my business, across every single platform and also on the back end too are inside that community.
Jacques Hopkins [00:53:35]:
Okay. AI Profit Boardroom, you have other offers though too. I know you, there was another school group. You have SEO Elite Circle, you have a free SEO course. I guess those are more SEO related. Whereas this AI Profit Boardroom is, is separates from the SEO a little bit and it's more about AI systems.
Julian Goldie [00:53:51]:
Yeah, exactly. We actually have an offer. One of our offers is like if you buy the Air Profit Boardroom, you unlock SEO Elite Circle access as well. So you get a two for one. So if you're interested in SEO too, you get access to that too.
Jacques Hopkins [00:54:06]:
What else do you like for this audience? Right, Course creators, aspiring course creators. What else should they know from you?
Julian Goldie [00:54:15]:
Well, I mean one of the best things you can do I think as well is like if you're creating courses, you're probably doing like Q and A's at some point. Like we do four Q&As a week inside our community is there's a few ways you can leverage that too with AI to get better results. So like for example, like I was saying, when you create an office or when you're creating a new product, or if you're trying to improve your product in your sales page, then you can plug in the Q and A's, the AI will understand your avatar, your audience, what sort of questions they have, what sort of struggles and problems they have. And then you can use that to train the AI so that you can create better sales pages or better copyright or better ideation for the videos and stuff like that. And so I think that's super powerful and underrated. I don't know many people doing that. And then also one of the interesting things that we've tested, and maybe this is just because we're in the AI niche, but our video sales letter on the sales page for our community is AI and it converts better. I've tested this.
Julian Goldie [00:55:14]:
It converts better than me as a human. And that's something super interesting too. I think it's because again like the editing and everything else is polished. Yeah. So I think that works really well too. I could talk about school all day as well. We have a lot of training inside. They are profit boarding about school.
Julian Goldie [00:55:29]:
But I think that's, that's an amazing platform for course creators who are trying to grow and scale because you know, you get not just the traffic to that page but also the traffic from school discovery too and also makes you very competitive. But yeah, what, what do you think your audience will be interested in learning about from me? That maybe.
Jacques Hopkins [00:55:47]:
Well, I mean that's, that was kind of a cop out question here at the end because the things that I think they'd be interested in learning about has been what I've been asking you about for the past almost hour now. So just wanted to make sure there wasn't anything like key that, that I was missing. But no, that's perfect. I think that this is going to give them a lot to think about from various different perspectives. So that's, that's all I have, man. Thank you for coming on, being so generous with your time and knowledge and we'll definitely link up to some of these resources in the show notes. So thank you so much for coming on today.
Julian Goldie [00:56:18]:
Thank you. I just want to leave one, one final tip that worked really well. So when we first launched that school community and we were starting from zero, we pre sold it. So we didn't create any content or anything like that. And we just had a sales page saying this is a pre sale. We haven't created the content and just saw if people would buy it and that helped a lot because we didn't have to create something that people weren't interested in and we, we had to test several versions of that until people actually bought. So that saves.
Jacques Hopkins [00:56:50]:
What is the key though? Like what were you promising people if it didn't exist. Like, what was the motivation to sign up? A huge discount. Tell us more about how to execute on that.
Julian Goldie [00:56:59]:
Yeah, so we said, like, we're putting together this community. We're going to create it if there's enough demand for it. And if you get in now, you can get a pre sale beta price, so you'll save like 50%. And also you'll have the opportunity to tell us what you want so we can create the course around you. And so, like, people felt more involved, they got a great deal. We were 100% transparent with them and their expectations too. And also they got a huge discount. And so, like, they also felt like part of something, like they could mold the community, they could mold the courses in exactly what they want.
Julian Goldie [00:57:32]:
So, like, based on all the requests and the feedback from the pre sale, we created something that people love. Like, I've, I've never created something that's got so many Testimonials. We've got 106 pages as testimonials that we've collected. So, yeah, lucky to have. Yeah, lucky to have that for sure.
Jacques Hopkins [00:57:50]:
Well, man. All right, thanks for dropping that as well, Julian. It's been a pleasure, man. Thank you.
Julian Goldie [00:57:54]:
Appreciate it. Thanks so much.
Jacques Hopkins [00:57:57]:
All right, that's a wrap on the conversation with Julian. Definitely an impressive guy and on the cutting edge of using an AI clone of yourself in content marketing. Now, Julian mentioned his AI profit boardroom school group. I've been exploring it the past few days and it really is pretty amazing. If you want access to Julian's AI workflow systems, even his setup for creating his AI avatar and getting so much content out every day, it's all there for just $49 per month. To learn more or to join, head to OC Show AI group. All right, that's OC Show AiGroup and that is my affiliate link, so I'll learn a percentage if you sign up using that link. Once again, that's OC Show AI Group to join the AI Profit boardroom show.
Jacques Hopkins [00:58:44]:
Notes for today's episode are at OC Show 274. And finally, I mentioned my free training workshop earlier. A reminder about that as well at OC Show Workshop. Thanks again for listening to another another episode of the online course show. And don't forget to take action on what you heard here today. I'm rooting for you.
